Justin and Abbey Valiquette

August3rd

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I wanted to write about some of the realities we face serving in Italy. Probably one of the most significant is the reality of the local church. By far, the most influential and largest church is Roman Catholic. More than 80% of Italy affiliates with this church. But over the years, attendance has declined significantly. In large part because the church has lost its missionary spirit, and has lost its focus on Jesus. Also, because people don’t trust the church anymore. And now, with recent stories about corruption as high is the papal office, its no wonder. Now, a very small number of Italians are involved beyond Christmas, Easter, weddings and funerals.

What’s worse, is that the message of the gospel is difficult to find in these churches. It is dangerously clouded by misleading traditions and a misguided understanding of our justification (here’s a good, short book on the differences). In our 2 years of living in Italy, I have yet to meet a single Italian Catholic who has had an accurate understanding of the gospel, and knew that they are saved by faith alone (which is at the heart of the Biblical teaching on salvation). In my estimation, nearly 99% of the country have a false understanding of salvation, which means they would die separated from Christ. I am not speaking to whether or not the church has a false understanding at a foundational level, but I am certainly to pointing out that the people are not hearing it or understanding it. The church has lost its voice.

So, who can tell them? The evangelical church, right? In theory, that’s who should be telling them. But, they aren’t. I’ll give some insight why in a post later this week. So, hang on! Do you have any thoughts on this particular post? Please share in the comments section!

  • Jp413

    I agree completely! “The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few!” Luke 10:2
    We need a body of Christ that clearly sees that they are Christ's sent Romans 10:15 and the ultimate ambassadors for Christ because he has reconciled us to himself! 2 Corinthians 5:18-21 “…Pray therefore the Lord of the harvest that he would send forth laborers into His harvest.” Luke 10:2

  • http://twitter.com/maxmassimo Massimo Lorenzini

    The RCC condemned the gospel of sola fide in the 16th century Council of Trent. So, it's no wonder that the vast majority of Catholics don't believe it.

    Thanks for writing about this. Looking forward to more.

  • http://justinandabbey.com Justin Valiquette

    Totally. The evangelical church in Italy doesn't realize that they are the sent ones to reach their own people. I'll write more on that in the next post and we can talk more. On a side note, do I know you?

  • http://justinandabbey.com Justin Valiquette

    Thanks for the comment Massimo. Its been confusing for me, because they do affirm we are saved by faith. But, when you unpack that further it is so much more complicated.

  • http://jutty.tumblr.com Justin Valiquette

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  • Doug

    “I have yet to meet a single Italian Catholic who has had an accurate understanding of the gospel, and knew that they are saved by faith alone (which is at the heart of the Biblical teaching on salvation).” It's not surprising that you have not met a single Italian Catholic who shares your understanding because Catholic doctrine is that salvation is by faith as well as good works.

  • http://justinandabbey.com Justin Valiquette

    IF that is truly what the Catholic church believes, than should we classify them as a Christian faith? Or is it a different belief all together? And IF we go that route, we might realize that Italy is just as much of an unreached people group than most parts of the world.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hottytoddyadam Adam Bennett

    Other books you can use for understanding the doctrine between Catholic and the evangelical church are:
    “The 10 Most Important Things You Can Say to a Catholic” ISBN 0-7369-0537-5
    And…
    “Reasoning from the Scriptures with Catholics” ISBN 0-7369-0208-2

  • Taylormaxwell

    Justin, great stuff. We need much more of this kind of information on your ministry.
    Taylor

  • http://justinandabbey.com Justin Valiquette

    I'll be sure to keep it coming!

  • Moevali

    I believe in God, the Father almighty, 
creator of heaven and earth, and of all things, visible and invisible.
    I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son, Light of Light, true God of true God. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit, 
born of the Virgin Mary, 
suffered under Pontius Pilate, 
was crucified, died, and was buried, and of whom the prophets spoke. On the third day he arose, according to the scriptures; 
he ascended into heaven, 
he is seated at the right hand of the Father, 
and he will come again to judge the living and the dead. And of His kingdom there will be no end.
    I believe in the Holy Spirit, the giver of life, 
the holy catholic apostolic church, 
the communion of saints, 
the forgiveness of sins, 
the resurrection of the body, 
and the life everlasting. AMEN.

    This creed is recited at EVERY Mass in the Catholic church. The Lord’s prayer is also recited at EVERY Mass. And even though the Mass tends to be more ritualistic than you are use to, it is full of the truth of God’s word throughout the service. How can you say that Catholics are NOT hearing the truth of the gospel if this creed is part of every service?
    Have you actually attended a Catholic service in ITaly? I just wonder.

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  • http://www.andrewlisi.net Andrew Lisi

    Brother,
    There of course is much truth in what you write as I have witnessed firsthand. The reality is that when the gospel is not preached, people will not know it. This goes for both the Catholic Church and the Protestant churches around the world. The gospel needs to be preached in the streets, in homes, and in the church, so that is your responsibility.

    The conversation regarding what Catholics believe fundamentally is muddled. You will want to check out the documents of Evangelicals and Catholics Together (ECT). Here is the websites: http://www.leaderu.com/ect/ectmenu.html. I have heard that many key Catholic leaders have privately confessed that Luther was right, that Justification By Faith Alone is foundational to the gospel; however, Catholicism is in a very difficult position of not being able to go back on Tradition. To them, Tradition is equivalent to Scripture. These documents will help you get caught up in the conversation.

    Finally, most people in Italy will not have a good understanding of the gospel because they simply aren’t seeing it lived out. They see no one really working out their salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12) nor do they see anyone walking in a manner worthy of the calling with which they have been called (Eph. 4:1) or anyone presenting themselves as living sacrifices (Rom. 12:1-2). The paradigm shift will have to include both word and work. Glad you guys are there to do it.

  • http://justinandabbey.com Justin Valiquette

    Great feedback Lisi. I’m really anxious to be more informed. It certainly would be helpful to distinguish Catholics and Roman Catholics. I’m uncertain how similar or different they are (America verses Italy, for example).

    You also raise a good point about tradition. They can’t change their theology about salvation without acknowledging being wrong in the first place, which in turn would bring into question one of their key components of their faith, which is inspired tradition. Great reply, thanks brother!

  • http://www.andrewlisi.net Andrew Lisi

    Yeah, you Roman Catholics is the same as Catholics. The ECT conversations were with some high up Catholics, so in terms of doctrine, you can count on whatever is said by Catholics to be the position held by the church. How that is played out on the local level is another story. As you well know regulation of priests is difficult. People talk much about pedophilia, which is a travesty, but Italy is wrong with priests who have mistresses. That doesn’t make for the best news…or does it?

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127412272

  • http://www.andrewlisi.net Andrew Lisi

    Sorry…there were typos, the biggest was “Italy is wrong with priests who have mistresses.” It should be “wrought.”

  • http://twitter.com/ufmikeg Michael Graham

    I think the ECT is very inadequate and less than helpful. I am very suspicious of any real substantive good that has come from the document.

    It has all been downhill since the 2nd phase of the Council of Trent, where Melanchthon and the Lutherans were invited but refused to show when the 1st phase was not up for debate.

    There is a fundamental lack of clarity on what the Gospel is and is not. The Vatican II documents are entirely unhelpful and unclear. You get a handful of Roman Catholics that get it and most who don’t, particularly the clergy. There are pockets of helpful folks. I am particularly fond of First Things and some of the Augustinian Catholics (Pascal… et al).

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  • Mary Anne Maxwell

    I am amazed at how God is growing your family in beautiful children, and how God is going to use you in church planting. You all are on our daily prayer list for God’s BEST! Mary Anne